Three Column Blogger: 3 Column Rounders 4

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

3 Column Rounders 4

This post on 3 column blogs is for the Rounders 4 template. Someday, Blogger will make it easy and produce 3 column blogs, but until then we'll just have to modify the templates. If you haven't already, take a look at "Adding a Third Column to Blogger" to see why it's better to modify than to download a hack.

If you do choose to modify your blogger template, this tutorial will show you how to easily turn your Rounders 4 template into a 3 column blog with just a little bit of time and attention.

These instructions are simple and easy, and you can do it if you don't know the first thing about HTML (which is perfect because I don't know anything about it either). Update (11/28/09): I thought I had fixed the problems with loading custom header and footer images, but the fix is not working for everyone. Some problems may relate to non-Blogger or XML templates. For now though, if you have custom images in your header, this mod may not give you the look you want. Everything esle works perfectly though, so if anybody out there has a solution for header image issue, do share! Cheers.

These instructions are for those using Blogger's new "Layout" version. I will be adding instructions for the Rounders "Classic" template shortly. Each version of Rounders is slightly different, so if you are not using Rounders 4, look in the right sidebar for the specific version of Rounders that you are using, and click on on that link.

So let's turn your Rounders 4 template into a 3 column blog! First, open up Blogger and go into your Dashboard, then click on the "Layout" tab. Then go into the "Edit HTML" tab. You will see a bunch of html code - but don't worry you don't need to know anything about it. Just scroll down until you see this:

/* Page Structure
-----------------------------------------------
(or, allow me to introduce your browser's control F (CTRL+F) command: you can type CTRL F, then type /* Page Structure into the dialog box and click and click next)


Now, change the width of the "outer-wrapper" from 740 to 990:

#outer-wrapper {
width:740px;<-------change to 990
margin:0 auto;
text-align:$startSide;
font: $bodyFont;
}

Next, you'll need to add 12 pixel margins to your main column, so you will make a minor change in the margin line of the "main-wrap":

#main-wrap1 {
width:485px;
float:left;
background:$mainBgColor url("http://www1.blogblog.com/rounders2/corners_main_bot.gif") no-repeat $startSide bottom;
margin:15px 0 0 ;<-------change this to "12px 0 0 12px"
padding:0 0 10px;
color:$mainTextColor;
font-size:97%;
line-height:1.5em;
word-wrap: break-word; /* fix for long text breaking sidebar float in IE */
overflow: hidden; /* fix for long non-text content breaking IE sidebar float */
}

That piece of code should now look EXACTLY like this:

#outer-wrapper {
width:990px;
margin:0 auto;
text-align:$startSide;
font: $bodyFont;
}
#main-wrap1 {
width:485px;
float:left;
background:$mainBgColor url("http://www1.blogblog.com/rounders2/corners_main_bot.gif") no-repeat $startSide bottom;
margin:12px 0 0 12px;
padding:0 0 10px;
color:$mainTextColor;
font-size:97%;
line-height:1.5em;
word-wrap: break-word; /* fix for long text breaking sidebar float in IE */
overflow: hidden; /* fix for long non-text content breaking IE sidebar float */
}

So far so good. Now, just after the "sidebarwrap" code block in the same section, paste in the following code (you can use "CTRL C" to copy it, and then "CTRL V" to paste it):



#left-sidebar-wrap {
width:240px;
float:left;
margin:15px 0 0;
font-size:97%;
line-height:1.5em;
word-wrap: break-word; /* fix for long text breaking sidebar float in IE */
overflow: hidden; /* fix for long non-text content breaking IE sidebar float */
}

#newsidebar h2 {
color: $postTitleColor;
border-bottom: 1px dotted $postTitleColor;
}
#newsidebarbottom h2 {
color: $postTitleColor;
border-bottom: 1px dotted $postTitleColor;
}


Now, we need to adjust the header and footer images. The reason why there are so few tutorials on three column rounders modifications is that it requires a little bit of knowledge to expand the rounders header image. This image uploads from Blogger's "blogblog" website, which means you need to not only increase the width of the image, but you also need to find someplace to host the new, expanded image. But don't worry, Three Column Blogger has done all this for you!

The first thing you need to do is locate the /* Blog Header section, it's one section below where you just pasted the new sidebar code. You will see two urls in the code, one url links to a file that helps create the top rounded part of the header image (corners_cap_top.gif), and the other url links to a file that helps create the bottom rounded portion of the header image (corners_cap_bot.gif). The code looks like this:

#header-wrapper {
background:$titleBgColor url("http://www2.blogblog.com/rounders4/corners_cap_top.gif") no-repeat $startSide top;
margin-top:22px;
margin-$endSide:0;
margin-bottom:0;
margin-$startSide:0;
padding-top:8px;
padding-$endSide:0;
padding-bottom:0;
padding-$startSide:0;
color:$titleTextColor;
}
#header {
background:url("http://www.blogblog.com/rounders4/corners_cap_bot.gif") no-repeat $startSide bottom;
padding:0 15px 8px;
}

Once you've located that code, you need to remove $titleBgcolor from the code. I have highlighted in red above so you can spot it more easily.
Next, The top header url needs to be replaced with this link:


http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_top.gif

and the bottom header url needs to be replaced with this link:


http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_bot.gif


So highlight and use CTRL C to copy the above links (one at a time), and then use CTRL V to paste each new link into the code block. When you do that, the new header code should look like this:

#header-wrapper {
background:$titleBgColor url("
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_top.gif
")
no-repeat $startSide top;
margin-top:22px;
margin-$endSide:0;
margin-bottom:0;
margin-$startSide:0;
padding-top:8px;
padding-$endSide:0;
padding-bottom:0;
padding-$startSide:0;
color:$titleTextColor;
}
#header {
background:url("
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_bot.gif
")
no-repeat $startSide bottom;
padding:0 15px 8px;
}

There is also a footer image that needs to be changed, but it's easy because the steps are the exact same as that for the header image, and it involves using the same new links. You will also need to remove $titleBgcolor from "#footer wrap2". So scroll down to the /* Footer section and replace the existing links with the new ones. When you finish, the code should look like this:


#footer-wrap1 {
clear:both;
margin:0 0 10px;
padding:15px 0 0;
}
#footer-wrap2 {
background: url("
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_top.gif
")
no-repeat $startSide top;
color:$titleTextColor;
}
#footer {
background:url("
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/threecolumnblogger/
corners_cap4_bot.gif
")
no-repeat $startSide bottom;
padding:8px 15px;
}
#footer hr {display:none;}
#footer p {margin:0;}
#footer a {color:$titleTextColor;}
#footer .widget-content {
margin:0;
}

At this point, believe it or not, there is only one more step. This particular step is hard only because you need to make sure you paste the additional code in the right spot, and this next spot can be a hard place to identify (CTRL+F helps here a lot).

Anyway, in the same " */ Footer " section where you are now working, scroll down a little further until you see:


<div id='header-wrapper'>

Then, locate the the "main wrapper" id a few lines below it. It looks like this:


<div id='main-wrap1'><div id='main-wrap2'>

Now, just above the "main wrapper" id, copy (ctrl c) and paste (ctrl v) the following code EXACTLY as it appears below:


<div id='left-sidebar-wrap'>

<div id='sidebartop-wrap'><div id='sidebartop-wrap2'>
<b:section class='sidebar' id='newsidebar' preferred='yes'>
<b:widget id='BloggerButton1' locked='false' title='' type='BloggerButton'/>
</b:section>
</div></div>
<div id='sidebarbottom-wrap1'><div id='sidebarbottom-wrap2'>
<b:section class='sidebar' id='newsidebarbottom' preferred='yes'>
</b:section>
</div></div>

</div>


Note: this will also insert a Blogger logo into your new left sidebar, but you can customize this however you'd like when you finish by using the Layout tab. For now, there's no need to worry about it; it's just a placeholder. So, after you do that, the newly modified section should now look like this:


<div id='header-wrapper'>
<div id='crosscol-wrapper' style='text-align:center'>
<b:section class='crosscol' id='crosscol' showaddelement='no'/>
</div>


<div id='left-sidebar-wrap'>

<div id='sidebartop-wrap'><div id='sidebartop-wrap2'>
<b:section class='sidebar' id='newsidebar' preferred='yes'>
<b:widget id='BloggerButton1' locked='false' title='' type='BloggerButton'/>
</b:section>
</div></div>
<div id='sidebarbottom-wrap1'><div id='sidebarbottom-wrap2'>
<b:section class='sidebar' id='newsidebarbottom' preferred='yes'>
</b:section>
</div></div>

</div>


<div id='main-wrap1'><div id='main-wrap2'>




And you are a now master three column Rounders 4 coder, because you're done! Hit preview to see your new three column Rounders 4 layout, and then save the template if everything looks ok. Go into the "Layout" tab and add a google gadget, or a widget, of your choice.

When you do go into the Layout tab, if you notice that the right hand column has dropped to the bottom of the "Layout" page, it means you need to make a slight adjustment to the layout "wireframe editor", which is easy to do if you made it this far.

Go back into the html tab, and scroll or CTRL F down to the section that says:

/** Page structure tweaks for layout editor wireframe */

Then, replace the code directly under the "/** Page structure tweaks for layout editor wireframe */" line with the following code block:

body#layout #header-wrapper,
body#layout #outer-wrapper,
body#layout #footer-wrap1 {
width:840px;
}
body#layout #main-wrap1 {
width: 485px;margin-right:10px;
}
body#layout #sidebar-wrap,
body#layout #left-sidebar-wrap {
width:150px;
}


The resulting code should look like this:

/** Page structure tweaks for layout editor wireframe */
body#layout #header-wrapper,
body#layout #outer-wrapper,
body#layout #footer-wrap1 {
width:840px;
}
body#layout #main-wrap1 {
width: 485px;margin-right:10px;
}
body#layout #sidebar-wrap,
body#layout #left-sidebar-wrap {
width:150px;
}

]]><b:skin>
</head>


Best of luck with your blogging. I hope this post on creating a new 3 column Rounders 4 template was helpful and that the new images were a big timesaver! **Keep in mind that these images are hosted on my free Photobucket account. It would be better for you if you download the images and host them on your own account, that way you have control over the images.** If you found this helpful, links back to this post on 3 column Rounders are always welcome. Thanks!

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59 Comments:

Blogger sh said...

thank you for your tutorials on how to solve 3 columns. but it seems, that the code of the template has changes.
there is no more line named /*header oder something. would you mind to update your helpful blog?
thx!!
sascha
My CG Environments Blog

November 23, 2008 8:50 AM  
Blogger RW said...

Whoops! I made a mistake copying and pasting. The line you need to look for is */ Page Structure. I have corrected the tutorial. Thanks for the comment!

November 23, 2008 11:08 PM  
Blogger Spoil Pink said...

th you very much! This worked perfect It even works for rounders 3!

November 26, 2008 6:53 AM  
Blogger CJ said...

Used your minima code for 3 coloumn, the easiest tutorial to follow compared with others on the web.

Thanks!

November 30, 2008 3:07 AM  
Blogger J. Kinkaid said...

Thanks for this. It worked beautifully for someone who knows nothing about html. I did lose the image behind the title though--any chance of getting that back?
Thanks

November 30, 2008 6:04 PM  
Blogger Sandra Lee Schubert said...

I have failed. My columns have overlapped. What do I do? Should I try again from scratch?

December 1, 2008 6:03 PM  
Blogger Sandra Lee Schubert said...

I decided to use the Denim template instead and did that with ease. I will play with Rounders later but wanted to get something up quickly. Thanks.

December 1, 2008 7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was just perfect. If follow instruction properly, it works like magic! yeppy!!

December 8, 2008 1:34 AM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Thanks very much! This was such a big help. I know nothing about html, but this was easy to follow. Like J. Kincaid, I also lost the image behind my header, though. Any ideas?

December 9, 2008 1:18 PM  
Blogger RW said...

I will check it out and post a solution shortly. I didn't reply to J. Kincaid only because she had fixed her blog by the time I saw her comment. But I will look into it and figure it out.

Thanks for posting your question - As you can see they work well for most, but I would love to be sure they are working for EVERYONE! I will be back to you in a few days, I hope!

December 10, 2008 11:02 AM  
Anonymous thishomesweethome said...

Great site, I have nerver done any coding before, but this was so east to followe, thanks very much for taking the time to create thsi blog.

January 1, 2009 5:36 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

This was SO extremely helpful AND easy to follow. I have found that so many tutorials aren't written for amateurs - and this one worked great! Thanks so much!

January 3, 2009 11:10 AM  
Blogger Nick Zaino said...

Hello,

This was the most helpful tutorial I've seen on this subject. Thank you for putting this together.

One quick question, though. I have customized the link, visited link, and title colors in my sidebar, and can't seem to change them now in the "fonts and colors" section. Any ideas on how to tweak those?

This is the blog I'm working on, for reference: www.funnygrownhere.com.

Thanks again!

Also, one easy way to center the header is to use a graphic and leave some extra space to the left to push your logo toward the middle. This might not work for everybody, but if you have Photoshop or some other graphic software, it should be a matter of adding 50 or 60 pixels or so. Hope that helps some of you!

Nick
nick@nickzaino.com

January 3, 2009 10:46 PM  
Blogger Kelley Bruce Robinson said...

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January 8, 2009 2:59 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

Thank you so much for the tutorial! I love 3 column blogs but was having the hardest time getting "free' templates to work.

I followed the steps, and I have three columns, but I'm having some trouble. I'm hoping you can help.

On the left side, I tried to add a gadget for labels and archives, it doesn't actually show the labels or archive though, just the number. Also I have a gadget for blogs I enjoy....pulling from google reader, but it doesn't show the name of the blog. Also..I can't get the date and time stamp to show up on the posts.

The url to my blog is:
http://notenoughbooks.blogspot.com/

any help would be appreciated!
Kris

January 12, 2009 10:13 AM  
Blogger Kris said...

Please disregard my cry for help..I've been playing around with it and think I figured it out. Currently I am down to only one column, due to messing with it, but once I get the 2nd one back up, I think I'll be fine. Thanks anyway!

January 12, 2009 2:01 PM  
Blogger RW said...

Sorry for the delay with responses here. I will try to answer the questions in reverse order, but I think the problem with the header images relates to the "max width" setting under the "#description" section in the header settings.

Just delete that single "max width" line and that should solve the problem. I will amend the tutorial "shortly", but hopefully quicker than it took me to write this response.

Law teacher - deleting the max width line will definitely solve your problem. I encountered this idiosyncrasy with firefox also.

Nick, customizing your colors is pretty easy. It sounds like you know how to use html font codes, so all you need to do is change the color codes in the style sheet at the top of the code, the "header" "post title" and "link" sections are ones where I changed the colors in my blogs. Just replace the old color code with the color code you want and hit preview to see if you got it right!

Thanks for all the commments; Links are appreciated too.

Cheers.

January 19, 2009 10:01 PM  
Blogger Lucylovely63 said...

thank you for your tutorials, they work so well! I love it!

January 21, 2009 1:11 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

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January 30, 2009 9:07 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hi! Thanks for the tutorial. I'm not seeing the header image on Firefox and on IE I see a solid color background but not the trees/leaves or whatever image is in the original blogger template. I'll try and figure it out myself, too. Maybe the leaves are only hosted at the original blogger site?? Thanks for any (more!!) help.

January 30, 2009 9:31 PM  
Blogger lawteacher said...

This worked well - thanks. However the header background does not show up in Firefox - any clues as to how I can fix this?

www.loretolaw.blogspot.com

January 31, 2009 2:18 AM  
Blogger Metal Film Review said...

i just set up the three column. but the size of the header image does not fit the whole thing. what should i change?anything wrong in progressing?

snow_flakes0926@hotmail.como

February 11, 2009 3:21 AM  
Blogger Drew said...

Love Love Love your blog and I link to it on my blog list! But can you make it a little easier to navigate?

I'm sure you've got the info I want but I can't find it! How about a cloud, or a most commented/popular widget?

February 12, 2009 2:07 PM  
Blogger Zazian said...

Brilliant, excellent, easy to follow...we now have a three column blog and will place a link as soon as.

Thank You

February 18, 2009 8:36 AM  
Blogger megan said...

It worked thanks!

February 27, 2009 7:23 AM  
Blogger juliek said...

Like lawteacher and Dawn I still don't have the background header image. I did post an image myself and played around with sizing until it almost works.
http://enough-stuff.blogspot.com

I do like the 3 column version!

February 27, 2009 10:18 AM  
Blogger Cheeky Girl said...

Thank you! I'm using this on my blog...www.cheekyreads.com, and would love to know how to make two side columns on the right-hand side.

Thanks for the great info!!!

March 3, 2009 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Lyn Rose said...

Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!! I have been trying for two days to do this and you are the first person to actually explain it properly!! I'm bookmarking you and sending friends to your site for sure. I'll be back for other things.

Lyn Rose

March 10, 2009 5:20 PM  
Anonymous Shelby said...

This worked great except I too cannot see the header image anymore. Bummer b/c I liked it. I don't know what to change. The rest worked great though. I looked at several different tutorials for this and this was the only one that actually worked. Thanks. If you do get the header image problem fixed let us know. I looked at an earlier response you had about deleting the "max width" line but I do not see that anywhere.

March 13, 2009 5:44 PM  
Blogger RookieRuggerLSU said...

Hi I know you posted this a long time ago, but I found it just today and it did work for me. However, now my title area is gone. Help!

My email is rookieruggerlsu@gmail.com if you can help me. Thanks!

March 18, 2009 9:27 PM  
Blogger Pillow Biter said...

I have the same problem- my header edit button is gone- I can't put in a new banner! Help!

I switched from the corner rounder 2 to the 3 column.

http://pillowbiters.blogspot.com
email: pillowbiterblog.yahoo.com

March 28, 2009 9:50 AM  
Blogger JP Shaw said...

I am having the same problem as everyone else with no answers to the header trouble. My header shows in firefox, but it's not centered. I've played with it and changed it and still can't get it to center with the blog.

April 5, 2009 12:55 PM  
Blogger Ingo Jewelry said...

wow. I heave been looking for that for a few weeks. It was so easy.
Thanks

April 7, 2009 11:19 AM  
Blogger Let's Eat Cheap said...

This worked out great! I can't get the header/footer images though. I read the comment about deleting "max width" under header description, but I cannot find (even using CTRL F) that in mine at all, do you think maybe you could copy paste what it should look like, so I can double check mine? Here is mine:
http://santacruzrecipes.blogspot.com/

I'm not sure what to do... :D

April 10, 2009 12:15 PM  
Blogger संदीप said...

Hi tried three coulum hack but it was not showing left sidebar and now after trying you trick, problem remains the same.I can send you the snap shot of my blog so you can have a look.

April 12, 2009 2:18 AM  
Blogger संदीप said...

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April 12, 2009 2:28 AM  
Blogger संदीप said...

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April 12, 2009 2:35 AM  
Blogger संदीप said...

Real problem is with widgets. it's not showing all widgets, when I put slideshow on left, it works. But when putting link bar or picture widgets, it's not working.

April 12, 2009 2:36 AM  
Blogger wenly said...

awesome!!! thanks at last i have 3 columns!!

April 29, 2009 8:42 PM  
Blogger Irtiyah said...

tq. this guide are useful and it's work for my blog.

May 9, 2009 2:13 AM  
Blogger The_Book_Queen said...

It's a great tutorial, easy to follow, but how do I create three columns on the template I'm using? "Thisway Blue"? I really love this template, and I would like to keep it, and somehow get three columns on my blog, if I can. Any tips/help that you can give me? I realize you don't have a tutorial for it, and I know you probably don't have the time to sit and write one for every single template out there, but if I could just get a few pointers, maybe I could figure it out?

Thanks,
TBQ

May 15, 2009 6:15 PM  
Blogger For the Love of Beauty said...

Thanks for the cool tutorial. However, like many others, I have lost my header image. I looked for the "max width" code that you cited above and I was unable to find it in the HTML thing--even when using Ctrl+F. Can you let me know when you get this ironed out? Also, why won't this template allow me to edit the background color of the entire page? I can't edit the header font, either.
Thanks again for the help. My blog is thoughts-and-aspirations.blogspot.com

May 18, 2009 11:04 AM  
Blogger Start Loving said...

Thanks friend. This blog was a life saver!

http://propositiononein2010.blogspot.com/

May 27, 2009 8:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this code need to be so long...

June 13, 2009 2:58 PM  
Blogger MizGrimalkin said...

I am having a heck of a time getting rounded corners on my header picture for Rounders 4.

Also, mostly unrelated to the above, for the main and sidebar, I am getting the rounded corners except when I try to load the corner .gifs saved from your link to my own photobucket account. Using my link, poof, no rounded corners. :(

Any assistance is greatly appreciated and Thank You for this very easy to understand template.

http://graufrau.blogspot.com/ Blog in question.

July 20, 2009 7:42 PM  
Blogger Ulf Hagström said...

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July 29, 2009 11:35 PM  
Blogger ByDSea said...

Sooooo helpful...way easier than any other site I found on this subject. Thanks so much for sharing your great wisdom with us noobs!

Cheers!
C

http://bydsea.blogspot.com/

October 4, 2009 4:28 PM  
Blogger Hip Mom's Guide said...

I found this extremely helpful. Thank you! One question: My header (custom image uploaded) is only the width of the first two columns. Is there any easy fix to stretch it across all three?

November 12, 2009 9:46 AM  
Blogger juliek said...

I am getting an "Inactive Account" message from PhotoBucket behind my header. I don't use Photobucket so wonder if that is from your template.

I'd like to delete it but don't know how.

thanks
enough-stuff.blogspot.com

November 19, 2009 6:18 PM  
Blogger RW said...

juliek, thanks. believe it or not, somebody tried to reset my photobucket password, and they deactivated my account. I have reactivated it now. I need to load the images on my own host and publish the links, but for the time being they are prisoners of photobucket!

November 29, 2009 1:21 AM  
Blogger Kn@ppster said...

This may be a stupid question, but I might as well ask it:

Is there an easy way set this three-column theme up so that both sidebars are to the right of the post column?

Thanks in advance for any answer!

January 5, 2010 12:52 PM  
Blogger Shane at Environmental Health-Wellness-Beauty,LLC said...

Any idea why the box is not showing up on Mozilla for the title? Also, is there a way to get the titles to show up in the new left column? Gret job. This was easy and better than the other tutorials I have tried.

http://shaneshirleysmith.blogspot.com

January 8, 2010 5:28 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

im having a problem with the date/time at the top ever sense i implemented this. It states undefined please help

January 14, 2010 8:15 PM  
Anonymous madeleine said...

I really like the 3 columns in Rounders 4. I had to do some adjusting of the header image by making a jpg of the header and top corners combined. I uploaded these and then used that url for the images. My question is about the "new" left sidebar..when I try to put my label cloud or something else with text or links, it is blank. Also, the drop down menus from "subscribe" get cut off at the bottom of the sidebar. Any suggestions? Thanks

January 22, 2010 6:29 AM  
Blogger CIEL said...

Hi, I'm having a problem with the editor wireframe... my sidebars are overlapping. I've been trying different sizes of width, and it just can't "un-overlap the right sidebar from the left sidebar". Is it missing a code? www.sincerelyciel.blogspot.com

March 27, 2010 2:46 AM  
Blogger BoardWatch said...

Hi
Can you tell me why my main post section appears the way it does? The text on the left is right up against the "rounders" line. How to fix? Many thanks.

April 2, 2010 8:36 PM  
Blogger BoardWatch said...

Just checking the "follow up comments" box. Sorry.

April 2, 2010 8:37 PM  

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